Chosera 800 vs 1000

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I have been sharpening for the last 5(?) years on a Cerax 1000. Depending on the knife I might start on a Cerax 320 and after the 1k progress on to a Rika 5k and then a Kitayama 8k.
Strops to follow.

The Cerax 1k is nearing the end of its life and the 320 has a year or so left. I sharpen friend’s low quality Germans and my own white and blue knives. But also my hunting, pocket, EDC, and bush knives (1095, D2, and VG10). These knives currently stop at the 1k. I’d like to replace the 320 and 1000 with splash and go stones. Right now, just the 1k. The Shapton glass 1k is out of stock, but the Chosera 800 and 1000 are in stock.

I’d like fast, precise stones. I do like the feedback of the Cerax stones, but that is less important to me now than it was when I started. Or, maybe better, I’m open to a new experience.

So, what are some attributes of these stones? Fast? Hard? How are they distinguished from one another? Other splash and goes to look at?
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I don't have both, but the 800 is supposed to be about as coarse as the Shapton 1000. Choseras run finer than the Shaptons. A lot of people are fans of the 800 over the 1K.
I feel like Choseras perform better with a long dunk - a few seconds. Don't soak, they are magnesia bond stones.
They are hard and precise stones, not muddy. Very much a point of contact stone.
They dish much slower than a Cerax, which is nice for a long sharpening session. I thin they flatten more easily than Shaptons.
I think feedback is better with Choseras than Shaptons, though neither is going to have as much as the Cerax.
A relatively unknown stone to check out is the King Hyper 1K. They feel like the Shapton Pro 1K, but a bit muddier IRC. Fast and hard stone.

FWIW, for my personal taste I've always liked a 2K stone over a 1K stone from the same line. But my progression is also different.
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Different progression? Like 500 -> 2000? The Shapton glass 500 is in stock, as is the Chosera 2000.
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I have a fairly complete progression of Shapton Glass: 220, 500, 1000, 2000, 4000, and 8000.
I also use the Shapton base.
I have previously used a Shapton Pro 2000. It was a good stone. I simply wanted the Glass series as my splash and go stones so, I sold it.
I flatten with CKTG 80 grit along with Atoma 140 and 600 grit plates.

I do not always follow the 2x grit progression for each step. It depends on what edge I might want.
I think the Shapton Glass stones are fairly fast. They are all very much what a lay person would call splash & go. "Spritz, spritz" and off you go.

Extroverting my thinking: If I wanted to explore different stones from Shapton Glass, I would make a simple "soaking" set with these:
Imanishi Latte 400 (https://www.chefknivestogo.com/ri400grwast.html)
Imanishi Imanishi Two Sided 1K/6K (https://www.chefknivestogo.com/imtwosi1kst.html)
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Ourorboros wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:21 am FWIW, for my personal taste I've always liked a 2K stone over a 1K stone from the same line. But my progression is also different.
I bought a SP (Shapton pro) 1k and 2k and i found the same thing. I have a nubatama 2k that’s sweet (I don’t have a 1k). I’m probably just someone who likes the edge a 2k sets. I still need to get some SG stones but man as a constant flattener the thinness (5mm) keeps me from buying.
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Naniwa Pro and Shapton Pro are two of the hardest stones out there. The Naniwa will have a smoother feel to it and will wear at about the speed as the Shapton. The 800 Naniwa will cut at about the same speed as the Shapton 1k. Both are very good stones, neither are muddy and I like use both...just because... ;)
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cwillett wrote: Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:34 am Different progression? Like 500 -> 2000? The Shapton glass 500 is in stock, as is the Chosera 2000.
Yes, unless I need to set a bevel I go from 500 to 2K. If I do need to set a bevel I go 220 or lower. I've dropped the 320 altogether.
Although I individually prefer 2K over 1K from the same series too.
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Generally I try and run with a 2X progression so used to go .... 800, 2k ...., but then I found the SG500 double thickness and now run SG500 to Kohetsu 2k with no problems at all. The finish from the SG500 is really good with a "better than 500" grind pattern & as I've said before the Kohetsu 2k is my favourite stone, so it copes really well.
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The 2x progression is very overrated unless you are working toward a mirror finish. It's only then that you really "need" a tight progression.
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Interesting discussion. Perhaps I’ll add a SG500 and maybe Chosera 2k instead of replacing the 1k.
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I suggest the SG 500 and SG 2K. I've used the SG stones for many years and have always thought that the 2K is the standout stone. It cuts much like the 1K, has a better finish, and leaves a nice toothy edge. Many love the 500 as well. It is great for quickly restoring the edge on a knife that has no other issues and needs sharpening. The SG stones wear like iron, are truly splash-n-go, and are compact enough that you can have a high-quality, portable sharpening kit.

FWIW, I generally go with 320 followed by 2K (the 2K is that good). Knives I sharpen often look as if they were dragged behind a car on their way to me, so repair and bevel setting are the norm prior to sharpening. I've found that the 320 does a quicker job removing coarse scratches than the 500 and I use the 320 in preference to the 500. Unless your knives are getting the car treatment, though, I'd recommend the 500.
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Jeff B wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:56 pm The 2x progression is very overrated unless you are working toward a mirror finish. It's only then that you really "need" a tight progression.
I own a 2x progression of Shapton Glass stones but don't often use them that way. I choose based on the application or knife owner.
Traveling to my mother and her soft German steel? Probably will take the 220, 500, and 2k.
Visiting someone with nicer knives? 500, 2k, and 4k.

I would use the same (500, 2k, 4k) as a basic edge restoration for my knives when big-time bevel setting is not needed.
And then there is the whole "what will I do with this knife?" question.
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I find them to be very different stones. I find the Cho 1000 almost a muddy stone in comparison to the 800. Its not a good comparison, but I find the cho 1000 more similar to the cerax 1000. The cho 800 is harder... I cant' really help with the speed question...
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I'll second the SG 320-->2K progression. I don't drop down to 320 too often, but, for a full sharpening, it works great.
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