gladius wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:15 pm
Bensbites wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:47 am
Can you provide your sources? Real info please, not random bloggers.
Sources of information that led to my decision? Sure...but "Real info please
" - how the question is framed I hope is not a bait leading to disputations. The responses to posting my decision to decline the jab are already charged. Everyone must come to their own conclusions and respect those of others. If your question is sincere, I will answer you why I am declining with links.
My decision is not carefree, glib, nor based on political dissent and is based on available info. from search (links below
What led to my decision is basically three-fold:
1) these shots are an experimental trial with adverse and even fatal reactions which I decline to participate in (not worth the risks
2) I decline also based on moral and ethical reasons
3) Survivability is good IF I were to get the virus
-the shots are classified as experimental, not FDA approved and not proven to work and in trial for two years and allowed under EUA.
-Have caused serious injuries and death: multiple nations have halted the jab due to blood clotting issues.
-The use of fetal cells in vaccines is well know:
-Survivability of Covid-19 is very high (numbers are varied
): Numbers reported (see search link
) between 99.995% to 82% depending on age and other factors (co-morbidities
) but is near impossible to determine exactly
, it's a moving target and the initial modeling was way off, testing was flawed, many false positives, reclassification of deaths, etc. https://tinyurl.com/yj8lhruz
I figured I'd do what I can to strengthen my immunity: Vitamin D, C and Zinc, etc. which in my mind is less risk.
I am sorry if my tone was off, I am frustrated by the amount of misinformation out there.
1) yes you can survive Covid.
2) yes the vaccine are authorized under emergency use.
3) the AZ vaccine with blood clod side effects is not available in the US. Not an issue.
4) from the North Dakota Dept of Public health
https://www.health.nd.gov/sites/www/fil ... andout.pdf
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were found to be ethically uncontroversial by the pro-life
policy organization the Charlotte Lozier Institute. Further, the Secretariat of Pro-Life Activities, a
committee within the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, has stated: “neither Pfizer
nor Moderna used an abortion-derived cell line in the development or production of the
vaccine. However, such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both vaccines. Thus, while
neither vaccine is completely free from any use of abortion-derived cell lines, in these two cases
the use is very remote from the initial evil of the abortion...one may receive any of the clinically
recommended vaccines in good conscience with the assurance that reception of such vaccines
does not involve immoral cooperation in abortion.”
Was the Johnson & Johnson (Janssen Pharmaceuticals) COVID-19
vaccine developed using fetal cell lines?
The non-replicating viral vector vaccine produced by Johnson & Johnson did require the use of fetal cell cultures, specifically PER.C6, in order to produce and manufacture the vaccine. The Catholic Church and the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission have both stated that receiving a COVID-19 vaccine that required fetal cell lines for production or manufacture is morally acceptable.
Basically the Catholic Church and various pro life groups agree is ok to be vaccinated.
These vaccines do not contain aborted tissue, but a cell line from the 80’s originally derived from a fetus